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I didn't say he had good policies by lm (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:08:40 AM EST

I'm saying that he wouldn't be as bad of a president if he weren't incompetent at implementation. For example, the mess in Iraq has gone on far longer than it would have if someone competent had been in charge from the start. It would still have been a mistake, but a far less costly one to both US soldiers and the people of Iraq.

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That's part of the problem by theboz (2.00 / 0) #18 Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:55:11 AM EST

There was no reason to go into Iraq, and it was a bad idea. Implementing it the "right" way would have been nothing more than an exercise in turd polishing.
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I think Iraq could have been a good thing by lm (1.00 / 1) #20 Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:11:22 AM EST

Regardless of having a reason why, if Iraq had been properly invaded, governed and rebuilt, the world could very well be a better place.

But that is really neither here nor there. I think McCain would have been smart enough to properly finish Afghanistan before going into Iraq.

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Eh? by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #23 Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:09 PM EST

Why would McCain have invaded Iraq?

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: Why did the Republican cross the road? by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #39 Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:41:54 AM EST

http://www.othersideonline.com/Pages/History/Name.htm
Ok, cheap shot.
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I disagree by theboz (2.00 / 0) #25 Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:09:59 PM EST

I disagree only because I'm not aware of any nation being successfully invaded from the outside and made successful by their occupiers. Even the two most modern examples I can think of, Japan and Germany, were not really successful for a long time after the war, and even then it was a true multinational force involved.
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flamebait by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #44 Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:17:39 PM EST

The Brits took a bunch of wilderness and Indians and started something that turned in the USA.

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So the U.S. is an occupation or colonization? by theboz (2.00 / 0) #47 Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:17 AM EST

How many Americans are moving permanently to Iraq and forming their own cities again?
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: I hope you're not looking for serious conversation by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #48 Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:46:49 PM EST

I did title my post flamebait after all...
Didn't the US snarf Texas and New Mexico from Mexico back in the day? Everyone living there today is almost certainly better off.
The other obvious one I'm thinking of is the dude who unified China way back when, founded the first dynasty. 1 enormous China did very well for itself up until the 1800's or so, arguably better then the 4 or 5 squabbling wee kingdoms could have done.
When the Romans acquired Britain they beat down a bunch of unlettered savages living in mud huts. When the Roman empire collapsed Britain was left on its own, but now they had highways, new towns and infrastructure, new ideas about governance and institutions, a new religion, etc. etc. etc.
The missus just suggested the UN intervention in Cyprus has kept them from killing each other for 40 or 50 years now.
And yeah none of those is a good comparison to Iraq, and you could quibble about any or all of it, but that's history for ya.

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