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By lm (Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:06:03 AM EST) (all tags)
For all of those masochistic enough to read it, here is an argument for allowing religion to influence the secular state.

Zany weekend adventures follow.



My doxos piece this week is clearly not developed enough. I take the full blame for that. For starters, I never got around to incorporating any Aquinas who presents a great argument for some religious truths being able to be arrived at by analytical reason and the evidence of our sentences. But what can I say? I was too busy reading bo's draft on Kant, working on my house, and helping a friend move.

Friday night I spent a bit of time dorking around with Facebook. I must be old. I don't really get it. I have, however, finally figured out how to play Scrabulous on it. I also spent some quality time showing a friend how to debug crap code. He had made one of the most frequent mistakes ever:


initialize somevariable to 0
initialize someothervariable to 0

assign output of some function that returns a count to someothervariable

if somevariable is greater than 0, do stuff

But the real highlight of Friday evening was the Akathist Hymn to the Theotokos. Even without a full choir, it's a breathtaking service.

Saturday was most uneventful. I did the usual chores and errands, laundry, grocery shopping, etc. The only change up was since I've still got a very bad cough and didn't want to go running, I started working on the upstairs apartment. The task right now is to prep the walls for painting.

The best part of this part of the day is that while at the hardware store, I bought a new pocketknife. Let the truth be known, I'm a man with a box cutter in my pocket.

Vespers and dinner were pleasant but not particularly noteworthy. I fell asleep relatively early, but not before I discovered Google's massive iGoogle. Google, indeed, is going to take over the world. On the other hand, it may not be as awesome for those that don't already extensively use Google tools. But as someone that uses Google mail, Google calendar, Blogspot, and Google analytics, it's a very nice front end to wrap it all together. Now the big G just needs to buy Facebook so iGoogle gets a Scrabulous widget.

Sunday was the Elevation of the Cross, which is a very nice service. Sunday afternoon, I caught up with a good friend and then helped him clean his old apartment. He needed some help. As a would be urban monastic, his walls were positively covered with soot from a year and half of burning incense and massive numbers of votive candles. We did a decent job, but the job really required a pressure washer.

And now on to my first day of Latin class for the quarter. W00T!

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Code fixes by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:16:07 AM EST
that's one area where style guides can lead you wrong.

Compilers will give a warning about using an uninitialized variable with out assigning it a value, but if you give it a default value (as most style guides demand), you won't get help from the compiler.

That doesn't stop me from NULL'ing every pointer I declare..



Incompatible religions by Alan Crowe (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:03:03 PM EST

Perhaps there needs to be a version of Metcalfe's Law for faith, stating that the trouble caused by n different religions goes as (n-1)². Your essay tip-toes around this.

...tripartite division of religions instruction: political science (siyāsah), dogmatic theology, and dialectic (kalām)... The first of these, political science, consists of arguments based on that which is evident, self-evident, or the conclusions of other arguments based on the same.
Can the idea that "political science", as a legitimate, religous contribution to the secular state, really withstand the stresses and strains of a multi-faith society?

I'm struggling, in my own strange way, to understand what I mean by God, and the Five Marks is my own religion. Notice the difficulty.

So those who write their own holy books must take up their swords and force others to pretend to believe.
The likely contribution of a Five Marker to secular society is to press for legal force to the notion of Crimes Against Silence.

Where does this fall into Abu Nasr al-Farabi's three way division? Perhaps it is obvious to you that it belongs to dogmatic theology, but a Five Marker could make a case that it is so deeply grounded in historical experience that it should be regarded as political science. Imagine the trouble that would cause!





A five marker could argue that by lm (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:53:33 PM EST
But whether or not the five marks are truly founded upon that which is evident or self-evident will be implied by the ability of the five marker cogently make the case. From my vantage point the five marks seem far more akin to divine revelation rather than being based on evident and self-evident principles.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I've heard the claim that by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #7 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 06:13:34 PM EST
religious problems decrease as (n-1)2. This obviously came from a secular type who would rather have them fight each other than organise an inquisition.

Wumpus

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Religion as a source by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:22:16 PM EST
I see nothing a priori wrong with using religion, any religion, as a source for ideas that are then used in politics. However, in a non-theocratic society, ideas must sink or swim on their own merits. There is an unfortunate tendency among the more dogmatic believers in the fundamentalist strain of a few world religions to presume that the rightness of certain ideas is not to be put under disputation. That's an issue and it is why many secularists tend to have a knee-jerk antithapy towards religious ideas.

That said, there's no reason even the non-religious can't mine religious thought for good ideas.
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I would agree with that assessment by lm (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:44:57 PM EST
I'd just modify it a wee bit. There is an unfortunate tendency among the more dogmatic believers in many systems, whether religious or not, to presume that the rightness of certain ideas is not to be put under disputation.

The followers of Marx, Rand, etc., tend to be in about the same boat as those of Pat Roberts, John Hagee, etc. when it comes to allowing for dissent.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Agreed (nt) by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:22:42 PM EST

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